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Jos teillä EI ole vielä tasoitettu seiniä, nuo pienet ongelmat (joita myöhemmin on vaikea korjata) kannattaa ehdottomasti nyt korjata. Levyt irti siltä osin ja rasiat kuntoon.
Pyydä joku jolla oikeasti on kokemusta NYT käymään ja katsomaan, korjatkaa ongelmat ja virheet. Älä lannistu, vahinko ei ole vielä suuri. Reagoi vaan heti, ettet kadu myöhemmin.
”Jos teillä EI ole vielä tasoitettu seiniä, nuo pienet ongelmat (joita myöhemmin on vaikea korjata) kannattaa ehdottomasti nyt korjata. Levyt irti siltä osin ja rasiat kuntoon.”
Itse asiassa näin juurikin edetään – ja sähköjohdot näkyy siksi, että sähkömies taas näkee ja muistaa ne oli. Pois joudutaan ottamaan ihan vaan muutama levy – jotka onkin sillä tavalla kiinni, että ne on helppo irrottaa. Kokonaisella levyllä on kuitenkin helppo mallata seuraavan levyn sijainti… Eli ei tässä ilmeisesti mitään ongelmaa, kiitos kommenteista (ihan hyvä että lukiat ovat valppaina), laitoin tähän liittyen uusimpaan päivitykseen lisää kuviakin.
Jospa kertoisit mitä on mennyt oikeasti niin pahasti pieleen, ettei muka ymmärrä rakentamisesta mitään? Ymmärrän kyllä, että sinusta tuntuisi kurjaa jos joku amatööri osaisi rakentaa taloja luuhaamatta ensin kolmea vuotta amiksessa 🙂
Rakentaja ei pitänyt viikon tupakkataukoa sähkäriä odotellessa, vaan laittoi levyt paikoilleen, jotta hommat etenevät. ”Ammattimiehelle” jonkun levyn irrottaminen olisi tietysti tartkoittanut vähintään yhtä tupakkataukoa vähemmän ja ylimääräistä työtä, jota tunnetusti ei haluta tehdä, kun pakollisissa hommissakin luistetaan aina, kun mahdollista.
En tiedä onko tässä nyt mitään mennyt pahasti tai ei-pahasti pieleen, ja vaikka olisikin, niin nyt jatketaan niin että otetaan muutamat muutamalla ruuvilla kiinni olevat levyt vielä sivuun ja tehdään rasiatyöt kunnolla. Kyllä minä uskon, että tästäkin työmaasta vielä talo saadaan syntymään.
Minä en ole mielestäni asrvostellut rakennuttajaa, huomasin mahdollisen ongelman josta kommentoin. Tämä ”ongelma” johtui siitä ettei sähkäri laittanut rasioita samalla kun veti kaapelin.
Minusta on todella hienoa että ihmiset uskaltavat ja tahtovat toteuttaa unelmiaan. Koulutus ei saisi olla kenelläkään este oman talon rakentamiselle. Tärkeää on löytää oikeat ihmiset avuksi näin suurissa projekteissa.
Mm vesiliittymän toteutus ja talon kokonaiskustannukset sekä työmaan kesto lienee puhuvat puolestaan.
Lähinnnä koska kyseinen henkilö pitäisi olla lähes rakentamisalan ammattilainen toimiessaan isännöitsijänä ja taloyhtiöiden edustajana monessa asioihin liittyvissä projekteissa niin hieman outo yhtälö.
Isännöitsijällä ei työnkuvan kautta ole mitään tekemistä rakennuttamisen kanssa. Isännöitsijä ”pääsee” mukaan vasta luovutetuissa kohteissa. Saneerauksien suunnitteluun joutuu varmasti perehtymään, mutta työnkuva on muutoin aika erilaista rakentamiseen tai rakennuttamiseen verrattuna!
Isännöitsijällä on paljon luotettuja tuttuja hoitamaan normaaleja saneeraus/ huolto hommia. Monesti vaan nämä urakoitsijat eivät ole samoja jotka työkseen uutta rakentavat.
Onko tämän kohteen urakoitsijoilla paljon vastaavia referenssi kohteita?
Tarinoita lukiessa ei ole voinut välttyä tältä ajatukselta…
Toivon todella että tämä kohde valmistuu ja Mika perheineen pääsee muuttamaan ja nauttimaan uuden kodin onnesta.
Uskalla Mika kyseenalaistaa myös niiden Sinun luottaminen urakoitsijoiden mielipiteitä..
On varmasti ihan meidän isännöitsijöiden oma vika, ettei meidän työnkuva näytä olevan kovin hyvin tunnettu tai tiedossa, mutta Tomi osuu aika hyvin naulan kantaan. Sen verran omasta ammatistani on ainakin ollut hyötyä, että on muodostunut laajat kontaktit eri alojen toimijoihin, ja vuosien mittaan hyvät tekijät eri aloilta on jo tullut tutuksi. Tänä vuonna muutetaan, ja totta kai talo tehdään valmiiksi saakka.
Nykypäivänä kojerasiat tukeutuvat pelkkään kipsilevyyn rasiatukien avulla, ei niitä enää pystytolppiin lyödä nauloilla 🙂 Sähkömies asentaa sen kojerasian samalla kun vetää kaapelin, jolloin ei tule haittaa töiden eriaikaisesta etenemisestä johtuen. Noita ylempänä mainittuja jälkiasennus rasioita (tutummin remonttirasia) ei kuitenkaan ole oikein mahdollinen porata joten jos haluat tässä vaiheessa uppokalusteet (ainoa järkevä vaihtoehto) menee homma joko purkamiseksi tai mattopuukolla reiän nakertamiseksi. Huomaa kuitenkin että reiän tulee olla remonttirasialle todella tiukka.
Ainakin meillä kolme vuotta sitten sähkäri kiinnitti monessa paikassa kojerasiat takaosastaan koolausten väliin laitettuun laudanpätkään. Ja niissä paikoissa, joissa käytti rasiatukia kiinnitti rasiarivin aina koolaukseen sivusuunnassa (miten muuten se olisi pysynyt oikeassa paikassa timpurien levyttäessä?). Jos olisin itse tehnyt rasioiden asennuksen, niin olisi aina laittanut laudan taakse ja ruuveilla siihen kiinni.
Hienoa että teillä on nyt rasiat myös rungossa kiinni. Siitä ei ole mitään lisähyötyä tai lisäarvoa. Rasiatuet ajavat VARMASTI saman asian.
Tässä tapauksessa puuttui koko rasiat.
Tuossa ruuveilla takaa kiinnitettäessä tulee mahdollinen ongelma höyrysulun rikkoutumisen kanssa. 3 vuotta sitten ei mitattu ilmatiiveyttä… Jokainen nuppineulanpään kokoinen reikä laskee ilmatiiveysmittausen tulosta.
Levyttäminen on paljon helpompaa kun timpurin ei tarvitse mitoittaa rasiaa sivusuunnassa millilleen kun se ei ole kiinni rakenteissa. Tässäkin tapauksessa rasiatuki on parempi kuin naulaaminen.
Viime kädessä kaiken ajan (kustannukset) maksaa rakennuttaja. Nopeampi=vähemmän aikaa= halvempi
Ja kyllä, ettei nyt ole mitään epäselvyyksiä, olen sähkömies ja teen työkseni asuntoja. Oma OKT valmistui viime vuonna. Tiedän mistä puhun.
Tuleeko teillä uuteen asuntoon sähkö kalusteet pinta-asennuksina?
Ei mielestäni? Ei ainakaan tule muuta itselläni mieleen kuin saunan kiuas. Ja siinäkin on yläosan sähkövastusten lisäksi alaosassa polttopuulämmitys, eli yhdistelmäkiuas siis kyseessä. Annatko esimerkin joistain sähkö kalusteista, niin sitten ymmärrän kysymyksen ja osaan vastaa jotain järkevää…
Ylemmissä kuvissa MMJ:t tulee kipsilevystä läpi, paikoissa joihin tulee valokytkin tai pistorasia. Normaalisti näissä olisi kojerasiat levyn alla ja reiät porattuna, jolloin sähkökalusteet olisivat uppo sarjaa. Nyt näyttää tulevan pinta kalusteet…
Itse olisin siinä luulossa että levyihin vielä porattaisiin tarvittavat autot, mutta homma on nyt vaan ”vaiheessa” kun sähkötyöt ja levytystyöt etenee vähän limittäin ja sitä tahtia miten timpurit ja sähkömies on ehtinyt missäkin paikassa tehdä.
Uppoasennukset onnistunevat vielä levytyksen jälkeenkin käyttämällä jälkiasennuksiin tarkoitettuja levyseinäkojerasioita. Lopputulos ei kuitenkaan taida olla samalla tavalla käytön kannalta tukeva kuin uudisrakennuksissa normaalisti ennen levytystä ja villoittamista seinän runkoon kiinnitettävien kojerasioiden kanssa. Jälkiasennukseen tarkoitetut rasiat kun kiinnittyvät vain ”klipsien” avulla levyaukon reunoihin, ei itse seinän runkoon. Samalla seinien sisällä olevat villat pyrkivät painamaan niitä koko ajan ulospäin.
Kannattaisi seinät levyttää niin että ikkunoiden ja ovien yläpuolella saumat eivät seuraa ikkuna tai ovilinjaa. Tuo on kaikista herkin kohta elämään joten sauma aukeaa helposti. Aina levytys heman L mallisena
Kiitos! Vielä ehtii monessa huoneessa ottamaan neuvosta kopin!
Ilmanvaihdosta et mainitse, mutta kannattanee laittaa ennen kattoverhoilua…
Kyllä. Samoin palovaroittimien piuhat, nekin pitää uudisrakennuksissa olla sähkökäyttöiset, ja ovat usein yhteydessä toisiinsa, tai rikosilmoitin järjestelmään.